It was indeed a privilege to speak with Rem Koolhaas and David Gianotten at the opening of MPavilion 2017 in Melbourne earlier this month. As a special interview for Architel.tv, this was an opportunity to explore the ideas of both Rem and David and their juggernaut practice, as well as the ideas behind the design of this year's MPavilion, an initiative of the Naomi Milgrom Foundation. Below are two iterations of the interview a short and a long version.